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Title: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Dipankar Saha on July 19, 2017, 08:03

Hi,
Can we calculate (@ ATK) the real_part elements of dielectric tensor, utilizing  the "Kramers-Kroning" relation?

Best_
Dipankar
Title: Re: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Jess Wellendorff on July 21, 2017, 08:42
The OpticalSpectrum analysis utilizes Kubo-Greenwood theory, and the real part of the dielectric tensor should be obtained using the "evaluateDielectricConstant" method http://docs.quantumwise.com/manuals/Types/OpticalSpectrum/OpticalSpectrum.html (http://docs.quantumwise.com/manuals/Types/OpticalSpectrum/OpticalSpectrum.html) That link gives an example of getting the real part at zero frequency as a 3x3 matrix. Hope this helps, otherwise I may have misunderstood your question.
Title: Re: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Dipankar Saha on January 3, 2019, 12:09

http://docs.quantumwise.com/manuals/Types/OpticalSpectrum/OpticalSpectrum.html
Why this page is not available?

Did you change the documentation?
Title: Re: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Petr Khomyakov on January 3, 2019, 12:55
Try this one: https://docs.quantumwise.com/manual/Types/OpticalSpectrum/OpticalSpectrum.html.
Title: Re: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Dipankar Saha on January 4, 2019, 08:30
How do you calculate the dipole matrix? What does Enm represent ?

Title: Re: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Petr Khomyakov on January 4, 2019, 10:00
- Regarding the Kubo-Greenwood formula and related dipole matrix definition, e.g., see Walter A. Harrison. Solid State Theory. McGraw-Hill, 1970, or just google it.

- Regarding the energy term in the denominator in the KG formula, E_nm = E_n - E_m, which is a transition energy between the 2 states labeled with the indexes n and m (quantum numbers).
Title: Re: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Dipankar Saha on January 4, 2019, 12:44
@ Optical Spectrum calculation_
It seems difficult to get a convergence with the increase in no. of bands below & above Fermi level.
Why So?
Title: Re: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Petr Khomyakov on January 4, 2019, 13:11
What exactly do you mean by "difficult"? Which system are you studying? How many bands have you used for the optical spectrum calculation? Typically, the number of bands should be increased significantly (by an order of magnitude), compared to the default values.

The actual number of bands required to achieve convergence is very much system-dependent, as one should take into account all the essential optical transitions for a particular material system, and optical properties of materials vary a lot.   
Title: Re: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Dipankar Saha on January 4, 2019, 14:13
Yes, I agree this is very much system dependent. For large structures where the no. of bands (below & above the Fermi level ) >150, it is difficult to find convergence. Set 'bands_below /above _fermi_level=' to values e.g. 10, 25, 50 and so on, you will find the output changing significantly.

(However, for smaller structure this is not a problem. Say out of 10 bands if you select anything > 6, the output will not vary. )

Anyway, thank you  Petr for all the information!  :)

Best Regards_
Dipankar Saha
Title: Re: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Ulrik G. Vej-Hansen on January 4, 2019, 14:45
It is often useful to look at it as an energy interval instead of a fixed number of bands. You need to cover an adequate energy interval around the Fermi level, so the number of bands to include is, to a first approximation, proportional to the number of bands in the system.
Title: Re: Kramers-Kroning relation
Post by: Dipankar Saha on January 5, 2019, 07:28
Okay... / Thank you Ulrik!  :)