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Title: calculating optical properties (permittivity) at very low frequencies (THz)
Post by: korand on May 12, 2021, 20:39: Hi dear friends

Earlier I have posted a question about the calculating optical properties at low frequencies. DFT does not give a reasonable answer, I found that this is possible by using Drude-lorentz model. In this model (attached figure)(http://), "wi" is natural frequency that will obtain from phonon band diagram or Raman. However, I dont know how to calculated plasma frequencies in the numerator (here "fi*wi")!
I will appreciate it if you help me.

Best regard,
Korand
Title: Re: calculating optical properties (permittivity) at very low frequencies (THz)
Post by: Anders Blom on May 14, 2021, 07:24: Yep, that's how you do it.

Now, searching for "plasma frequency" on our excellent documentation site https://docs.quantumatk.com brings you to https://docs.quantumatk.com/manual/Types/OpticalSpectrum/OpticalSpectrum.html which has an example on precisely this (https://docs.quantumatk.com/manual/Types/OpticalSpectrum/OpticalSpectrum.html#intraband-contribution).

Note that this feature was added in a recent version only.
Title: Re: calculating optical properties (permittivity) at very low frequencies (THz)
Post by: korand on May 14, 2021, 16:47: Quote from: Anders Blom on May 14, 2021, 07:24
Yep, that's how you do it.

Now, searching for "plasma frequency" on our excellent documentation site https://docs.quantumatk.com brings you to https://docs.quantumatk.com/manual/Types/OpticalSpectrum/ which has an example on precisely this (https://docs.quantumatk.com/manual/Types/OpticalSpectrum/OpticalSpectrum.html#intraband-contribution).

Note that this feature was added in a recent version only.

Dear Dr Blom

I want to thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I am sure that you are busy, and so I greatly appreciate your response.

I should clarify that I want to calculate plasma frequencies for every modes, in order to supply the Lorentz's formula summation (not Drude section). For instance, Bi2Se3 has 4 major phonon modes and each on them contributes in the permittivity. However, through the manner that described in documentation site that you mentioned, plasma freq for single resonance related to intraband in each direction will obtain.
Also, these phonon modes energy are far below the bandgap of Bi2Se3; therefore, my problem is not related to intraband contribution that appear in energies (freq) around energygap. My concern is belongs to interband counterpart.

I am looking forward to the hearing from you.

Best regard,
Korand
Title: Re: calculating optical properties (permittivity) at very low frequencies (THz)
Post by: Anders Blom on May 18, 2021, 01:47: Sorry, I don't have a very good answer on that. I am not sure that you can compute the weights from DFT, a few articles I have seen rather treat these as fitting parameters when comparing to experiments. You can of course use QuantumATK to compute the phonon frequencies of active optical modes, and also study the Raman spectrum and identify Raman active modes this way. Besides that, I am not the best person to help, I fear...
Title: Re: calculating optical properties (permittivity) at very low frequencies (THz)
Post by: Tue Gunst on May 18, 2021, 10:07: Hi,
In the THz (infrared) regime one has to use the DielectricTensor object.
It takes in the OpticalSpectrum but then includes the low frequency coupling to vibrations.
See:
https://docs.quantumatk.com/manual/Types/DielectricTensor/DielectricTensor.html

In the section Notes you will see a functional form of the dielectric response from coupling with each phonon similar to the expression you refer to.
The numerator factor, termed mode oscillator strengths (not plasma frequencies), are calculated directly from the Born effective charges.

So in summary QuantumATK covers the full expression you show - plasma frequency can be calculated and used for interbands couplings in OpticalSpectrum. The DielectricTensor object can further calculate the THz coupling to vibrations.
Hope this answers your question,
Tue
Title: Re: calculating optical properties (permittivity) at very low frequencies (THz)
Post by: korand on May 18, 2021, 10:12: Dear Dr Blom and dear Dr Tue

Thanks for your time and guidance.
What Dr Tue says will solve my problem.

Best regard,
Korand
Title: Re: calculating optical properties (permittivity) at very low frequencies (THz)
Post by: Darlan on October 6, 2022, 17:59: Hello,
I'M TRYING TO FIND THE PERMITTIVITY OF PHAGRAPHENE AS A FUNCTION FREQUENCY (TERAHERTZ) INSTEAD OF eV. COULD YOU GIVE ME SOME ADVICE, PLEASE? THANKS FOR YOUR HELP.
Title: Re: calculating optical properties (permittivity) at very low frequencies (THz)
Post by: Anders Blom on October 6, 2022, 21:31: Google is kind of nice for these types of questions.
Title: Re: calculating optical properties (permittivity) at very low frequencies (THz)
Post by: Darlan on October 11, 2022, 15:49: Dear, Anders Blom.
Thanks for your help. Our first attempt was to check this on google. But, when I use this transformation the values of permittivity are pretty far from real. So if you know any other form of convertion and could help, I really apreciatte. Thanks