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Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« on: January 13, 2014, 06:23 »
Dear all,

I have attached the .jpeg file of Methotrexate drug before(initial) and after(final) optimization.
Kindly help me whether my structure is correct according to the structure given by DRUG BANK.
If the optimization is correct i will move on to the convergence studies for total energy for k point sampling.
The structure converged in 123 steps and density mesh cut-off-150 Ry K points (1 1 300)
I have attached the .xyz file format of the drug converted using open babel as it was in .mol format from the DRUG BANK.

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Janani.K
« Last Edit: January 13, 2014, 06:25 by GJK »

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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2014, 10:25 »
Looks like there is something wrong with the initial structure. Not completely (atomic units?)
The structure you can find here http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-Structure.112728.html looks fine.
Attached you can find the .xyz format converted with openbabel.

You can optimize the structure in a molecular configuration meaning also that you do not need k-points (1,1,1)

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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2014, 04:01 »
Thank you.

I understood the mistake. But cannot sort it out.
In open babel I fixed the parameters as add hydrogens (make explicit) and generate 3D coordinates.But the structure which I generated is not accurate with the one which you have sent correctly.Kindly help me what are the other parameters to be fixed in open babel while converting the .mol file to .xyz format.

I have attached the .jpeg file of the structure converted with above mentioned parameters.

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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2014, 09:39 »
I did not use any extra parameters.

The .MOL file that you download from chemspider.com has already the H atoms included :)

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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2014, 18:18 »
I have attached the .xyz file and MDL MOL file downloaded from chemspider it has no hydrogen atoms when i insert the file in open babel for conversion.When add hydrogens(explicit) and generate 3D coordinates cheque boxes are clicked 55 atoms of Methotrexate structure is generated but the structure is not exact with the same as u mailed me.Kindly help in sorting out this problem.

open bable input-MDL mol file

 33 35  0  0001  0  0  0  0  0999 V2000
    2.1434   -4.5375    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    2.8579   -4.9500    0.0000 N   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    2.8579   -5.7750    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    2.1434   -6.1875    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    2.1434   -7.0125    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    1.4289   -7.4250    0.0000 N   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    0.7145   -7.0125    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    0.0000   -7.4250    0.0000 N   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
   -0.7145   -7.0125    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
   -1.4289   -7.4250    0.0000 N   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
   -0.7145   -6.1875    0.0000 N   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    0.0000   -5.7750    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    0.0000   -4.9500    0.0000 N   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    0.7145   -6.1875    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    1.4289   -5.7750    0.0000 N   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    3.5724   -4.5375    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    3.5724   -3.7125    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    4.2868   -3.3000    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    5.0013   -3.7125    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    5.0013   -4.5375    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    4.2868   -4.9500    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    5.7158   -3.3000    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    5.7158   -2.4750    0.0000 O   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    6.4302   -3.7125    0.0000 N   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    7.1447   -3.3000    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    7.8592   -3.7125    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    8.5737   -3.3000    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    9.2881   -3.7125    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
   10.0026   -3.3000    0.0000 O   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    9.2881   -4.5375    0.0000 O   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    7.1447   -2.4750    0.0000 C   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    7.8592   -2.0625    0.0000 O   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
    6.4302   -2.0625    0.0000 O   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
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  2  3  1  0
  3  4  1  0
  4  5  2  0
  5  6  1  0
  6  7  2  0
  7  8  1  0
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  9 10  1  0
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 11 12  2  0
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 12 14  1  0
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  2 16  1  0
 16 17  2  0
 17 18  1  0
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 19 20  1  0
 20 21  2  0
 16 21  1  0
 19 22  1  0
 22 23  2  0
 22 24  1  0
 25 24  1  6
 25 26  1  0
 26 27  1  0
 27 28  1  0
 28 29  1  0
 28 30  2  0
 25 31  1  0
 31 32  1  0
 31 33  2  0
M  END

> <StdInChI>
InChI=1S/C20H22N8O5/c1-28(9-11-8-23-17-15(24-11)16(21)26-20(22)27-17)12-4-2-10(3-5-12)18(31)25-13(19(32)33)6-7-14(29)30/h2-5,8,13H,6-7,9H2,1H3,(H,25,31)(H,29,30)(H,32,33)(H4,21,22,23,26,27)/t13-/m0/s1

> <StdInChIKey>
FBOZXECLQNJBKD-ZDUSSCGKSA-N

> <AuxInfo>
1/1/N:1,18,20,17,21,26,27,5,3,19,4,16,25,28,14,12,7,22,31,9,13,10,6,15,24,11,8,2,29,30,23,32,33/E:(2,3)(4,5)(29,30)(32,33)/it:im/rA:33nCNCCCNCNCNNCNCNCCCCCCCONCCCCOOCOO/rB:s1;s2;s3;d4;s5;d6;s7;d8;s9;s9;d11;s12;s7s12;s4d14;s2;d16;s17;d18;s19;s16d20;s19;d22;s22;n24;s25;s26;s27;s28;d28;s25;s31;d31;/rC:2.1434,-4.5375,0;2.8579,-4.95,0;2.8579,-5.775,0;2.1434,-6.1875,0;2.1434,-7.0125,0;1.4289,-7.425,0;.7145,-7.0125,0;0,-7.425,0;-.7145,-7.0125,0;-1.4289,-7.425,0;-.7145,-6.1875,0;0,-5.775,0;0,-4.95,0;.7145,-6.1875,0;1.4289,-5.775,0;3.5724,-4.5375,0;3.5724,-3.7125,0;4.2868,-3.3,0;5.0013,-3.7125,0;5.0013,-4.5375,0;4.2868,-4.95,0;5.7158,-3.3,0;5.7158,-2.475,0;6.4302,-3.7125,0;7.1447,-3.3,0;7.8592,-3.7125,0;8.5737,-3.3,0;9.2881,-3.7125,0;10.0026,-3.3,0;9.2881,-4.5375,0;7.1447,-2.475,0;7.8592,-2.0625,0;6.4302,-2.0625,0;

> <Formula>
C20 H22 N8 O5

> <Mw>
454.4393

> <SMILES>
CN(C1C=CC(C(N[C@H](C(=O)O)CCC(=O)O)=O)=CC=1)CC1N=C2C(N=C(N=C2N)N)=NC=1 |&1:8|

> <CSID>
112728

$$$$

open babel output-xyz file

55

C          1.04381        0.04587       -0.07731
N          2.47831        0.04587       -0.07731
C          3.19556       -0.58808        0.99108
C          2.23250       -1.16290        1.95980
C          4.38993       -2.55496        4.30580
N          3.54596       -3.05870        5.15474
C          2.26908       -2.93759        4.95064
N          1.42511       -3.44133        5.79959
C          1.85802       -4.06618        6.85263
N          3.23101       -4.19640        7.07208
N          1.01406       -4.56992        7.70157
C          0.50114       -2.16626        3.65075
N          0.03564       -1.49438        2.51845
C          1.82145       -2.29149        3.86179
N          2.66541       -1.78775        3.01284
C          3.17656        0.66303       -1.11739
C          6.53386        0.06955       -0.11721
C          7.20532        0.66303       -1.11739
C          6.53386        1.25651       -2.11757
C          5.19094        1.25651       -2.11757
C          4.51948        0.66303       -1.11739
C          7.25586        1.89467       -3.19303
O          6.64206        2.43718       -4.10731
N          8.65236        1.89467       -3.19303
C          9.36961        2.52862       -4.26141
C          9.00240        4.00268       -4.31356
C          7.50800        4.14441       -4.55243
C          7.14997        5.58161       -4.60326
O          8.10551        6.52074       -4.44584
O          5.98387        5.91749       -4.78863
C         10.82665        2.39042       -4.02852
O         11.27631        1.74140       -2.93473
O         11.62438        2.86657       -4.83095
H          0.68714       -0.46892        0.79026
H          0.68714       -0.44807       -0.95692
H          0.68714        1.05461       -0.06527
H          3.81071        0.13433        1.48565
H          3.81072       -1.36834        0.59400
H          5.42174       -2.56502        4.32276
H          3.87077       -3.81455        6.42855
H          3.55917       -4.67006        7.87033
H         -0.93228       -1.40258        2.36373
H          0.67540       -1.11253        1.87491
H          6.89437       -0.42390        0.71439
H          8.23732        0.66303       -1.11739
H          4.67494        1.71259       -2.88618
H          5.03548        0.20696       -0.34878
H          9.14461        1.45958       -2.45980
H          9.11111        2.06361       -5.18977
H          9.53741        4.47555       -5.11047
H          9.26089        4.46769       -3.38520
H          6.97299        3.67154       -3.75551
H          7.24951        3.67939       -5.48078
H          7.87915        7.42942       -4.47798
H         12.19754        1.65402       -2.78748
 
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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2014, 22:36 »
Click on the 3D view (Jmol applet) before saving the file.
Here the two files.

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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2014, 02:03 »
Thank you.

Just clarify whether this structure is correct.

I clicked on 3D and then click save and got the 55 atoms.
Kindly give your confirmation if the attached structure is correct.

Janani.K

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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2014, 02:11 »
One more doubt

I chose density mesh cut-off-150 Ry(default) and Single zeta polarised-Basis set
Is that ok for optimization?

or the parameters mentioned above has to be changed for drugs.

But as default for this drug double zeta polarised basis set is available which I changed to reduce computational timing.

Kindly clarify


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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2014, 09:18 »
With a system of this size, I would try with DZP first and then I would perform the same relaxation with SZ, and if the structures were close enough, I would continue with SZ.

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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2014, 11:18 »
With a system of this size, I would try with DZP first and then I would perform the same relaxation with SZ, and if the structures were close enough, I would continue with SZ.

How to confirm that the structures are close enough after doing optimization with DZP nad SZ
What are the parameters that describe the closeness of the structure.

Kindly confirm me whether the structure which I attached after getting the procedure from Mr.Umberto Martinez is correct.

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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2014, 16:20 »

Dear Mr.Nordland,

Kindly clarify the quote mentioned below.

With a system of this size, I would try with DZP first and then I would perform the same relaxation with SZ, and if the structures were close enough, I would continue with SZ.

How to confirm that the structures are close enough after doing optimization with DZP nad SZ
What are the parameters that describe the closeness of the structure.

Kindly confirm me whether the structure which I attached after getting the procedure from Mr.Umberto Martinez is correct.

Thanks

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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2014, 13:35 »
Dear Mr.Nordland,

Comming back again after optimizing the structure.

I have attached the files and jpeg image of optimized structure of drug methotrexate after your advice.Kindly give your approval if it is correct.I used DZP for optimization using DFT.

But sir my system hanged so I shut down and restarted I found that the optimization had finished before.This will not create any problem know? Will the system hang after finishing a long calculation

Waiting for your approval.


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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2014, 16:06 »
The system shouldn't not hang after a long calculation.

-However I can't approve your systems by looking at screenshot, I will the coordinates obtained by relaxing with both methods.

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Re: Checking for Correct Optimized Structure
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2014, 17:19 »
Dear Mr.Nordland,

I attached the file but the size was larger than the limit in the forum.So I couldn't attach.

Kindly give me an alternative mail ID to send the files sir.

Thank you.

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2014, 17:20 »
Dear Mr.Nordland,

I attached the file but the size was larger than the limit in the forum.So I couldn't attach.

Kindly give me an alternative mail ID to send the files sir.

Thank you.

Just attached the python scripts to this post.