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Can we create MTP with dopant atom included?
« on: January 16, 2025, 06:10 »
Hello, I have some questions regarding MTP training with dopant atom attached.

We are planning to put carbon dopant in GeTe amorphous structure with different doping density.

However, since there are no force field related to C, Ge, Te, we decided to create MTP.

Here is the question, to create MTP, as far as I know, making initial training set is essential.

But since there are no initial training set regarding to different carbon doping density in GeTe, I wonder how should we proceed with the first step of creating MTP.

Is there any tips for it?

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Re: Can we create MTP with dopant atom included?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2025, 23:21 »
Step 1 would be to make an MTP for GeTe. This should be relatively straightforward following the standard crystalline training protocol.
Step 2 is to use active learning to extend this MTP to a-GeTe
In step 3 you can then add C to either or both several GeTe crystal supercells and/or selected snapshots from the a-GeTe MD trajectory, and retrain on these. If you need to consider different kinds of C positions (interstitial, substitutional etc) make sure to cover all possibilities.
Finally, I would do a step 4 where you repeat the active learning for a-GeTe with C included.

Now, I am aware that the tutorials for MTP on the website are outdated. We are working on new ones which should be published very soon.

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Re: Can we create MTP with dopant atom included?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2025, 07:28 »
Hello, I am working on the same thing and I have some questions regarding MTP with dopant atom

1. In step 4, you mentioned repeating active learning for a-GeTe with carbon included. Can I skip creating a base MTP with carbon and go directly to active learning after step 3?

2. Before Creating C-doped a-GeTe in step 3, I should use the MTP trained from Step 2 to create amorphous GeTe using Melt Quench method for more accurate a-GeTe?

3. Is it possible to use the defect training protocol with carbon as an interstitial or substitutional dopant in step 1 to skip step 3 altogether?



Thank you in advance for your guidance!

« Last Edit: January 19, 2025, 08:36 by pshinyeong »

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Re: Can we create MTP with dopant atom included?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2025, 01:42 »
Didn't notice your follow-up question, sorry.
1. I guess you mean after step 2. Yes, that is a possibility for sure, as long as you start the C atom in many different positions.
2. Yes, and this is true whether you skip 3 or not.
3. Probably, as long as you do step 4. The point of 1+2 is that it's a simpler system, and I prefer to build something complex on something simpler.

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Re: Can we create MTP with dopant atom included?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2025, 07:45 »
Thank you for your reply.

Again, I have some other questions related to previous ones.

1. I want to train crystal GeTe with ratio 1:3 for Ge and Te each. However, from materials project, there was no Ge1Te3 crystal structures. So can I just use GeTe instead for MTP training to get Ge1Te3 MTP?

2. From your answer about putting C atom into GeTe, can I just use amorphous C doped GeTe with packmol as initial training set and skip step 1, 2(only getting GeTe MTP) ? I am little bit confused that why should I create only GeTe MTP first before training atom-doped GeTe.

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Re: Can we create MTP with dopant atom included?
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2025, 20:43 »
Oh, and other question regarding to previous ones, if I were to investigate amorphous structure only, then can I skip step 1(crystal mtp) and go straight to step 2(amorphous mtp)?
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Re: Can we create MTP with dopant atom included?
« Reply #6 on: March 7, 2025, 20:09 »
Not really, because you need a base MTP to run the active learning algorithm.